Cultivating Character: Michael Lamb

In the second episode of NetVUE’s podcast Callings, hosts Erin VanLaningham and John Barton interview Michael Lamb, a faculty leader at Wake Forest University. He discusses ethics and the importance of virtues in public life, encouraging listeners to connect passions with community needs and to cultivate virtues in discovering personal callings.

Michael Lamb

In the second episode of this season of NetVUE’s podcast Callings, hosts Erin VanLaningham and John Barton interview Michael Lamb, the senior executive director of the Program for Leadership and Character at Wake Forest University. An associate professor of interdisciplinary humanities and the F.M. Kirby Foundation Chair of Leadership and Character at Wake Forest, Michael also serves as an associate fellow of the Oxford Character Project at the University of Oxford in the United Kingdom, a project which helps graduate students in various fields, including government, law, medicine, business, and academia, think about the role of ethics in their professions. Michael’s research and teaching focuses on the ethics of citizenship and the role of virtues in public life, all of which offers many connections to the exploration of vocation.

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A Big Enough Story: Lee C. Camp

The sixth season of NetVUE’s podcast Callings features Lee C. Camp, a public theologian and educator. Camp discusses vocational questions in higher education, emphasizing the importance of asking deeper questions about life’s meaning. He encourages students to pursue larger, more truthful narratives to foster meaningful lives and societal impact.

Lee C. Camp

NetVUE’s podcast Callings has launched its sixth season with an episode featuring Lee C. Camp, host of the podcast and nationally syndicated public radio series No Small Endeavor. In this show he’s explored what it means to live a good life in conversation with some of the country’s most notable philosophers, scientists, entertainers, and politicians. Lee is also the Distinguished Faculty Fellow at Lipscomb University, a NetVUE member institution. As a public theologian, author, and social commentator, Lee’s work focuses on Christian ethics, the intersection of faith and politics, and the meaning and pursuit of human flourishing.

In his conversation with hosts Erin VanLaningham and John Barton, Lee brings a wealth of experience to bear on questions of vocation in higher education. In the process, he challenges more simplistic and subjective notions of “meaningfulness,” which can often overemphasize our individual needs and perspectives. Instead, he encourages us to be good question-askers. “If we can give our students a better set of questions than the questions that they have,” he says, “it will change their lives.” For Lee, these questions often emerge out of the kinds of stories we live our lives by. He urges all of us, but especially undergraduate students, to expand the moral scope of these stories and consider this question: “Am I trying to live by a big enough, true enough story?” he asks, for “if you try to live by a too small, not true enough story, it can cause all sorts of horrific damage, to yourself and the world around you.” Ultimately, Lee encourages listeners to embrace the exciting adventure of living out these larger stories and creatively pursuing the virtuous life.


Geoffrey W. Bateman is the editor of Vocation Matters.

Article of Note: The Vocational Potential of General Studies Degrees

Scott Carlson’s newsletter highlights Rachel Elliot Rigolino’s insights on general-studies programs, emphasizing their value for nontraditional students returning to education. Rigolino argues that these programs foster vocational exploration, despite misconceptions of their lack of rigor. Her students’ experiences illustrate the potential for meaningful academic growth and professional development through such degrees.

Readers unfamiliar with Scott Carlson’s newsletter “The Edge” (which appears on the The Chronicle of Higher Education) might find a post from this past summer inspiring and relevant to the work we do within vocation studies. In this post, he celebrates one of the winners of its “Edge Essay Contest”—Rachel Elliot Rigolino and her submission, “What My General-Studies Students Taught Me About Higher Ed’s Future.” As a lecturer of English and coordinator of the Supplemental Writing Workshop at the State University of New York at New Paltz, Rigolino uses her experience in these areas to argue “for the power of an unusual approach,” as Carlson writes, “in service to a nontraditional student population.”

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Callings Podcast Releases Highlights Episode from Season Five

NetVUE’s podcast Callings has wrapped up its fifth season with a bonus episode featuring highlights from various interviews. It offers valuable insights and advice for undergraduate students on understanding vocation and navigating life’s uncertainties. Guests discuss the importance of adaptability, resilience, and the complexities of pursuing one’s calling amidst challenges.

NetVUE’s podcast Callings has concluded its fifth season with the release of its annual bonus “Highlights” episode. It features clips from this season’s interviews, offering advice to undergraduate students on how they might think about vocation and the search for purpose and meaning in their lives. These excerpts are not only gems in their own right—representing the most interesting insights from the season—but they also provide listeners brief reflections that might be useful for classroom activities or points of departure for writing or discussion in their work with undergraduate students.

Guests include (top row, left to right) John Inazu, Bonnie Miller-McLemore, and Caryn Riswold; and (bottom row, left to right) Abel Chávez, Kwame Anthony Appiah, and Jennifer Herdt.
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Reimagining the Good Life: Jennifer Herdt

The final episode of this season of Callings features Jennifer Herdt, a professor of Christian ethics at Yale Divinity School, discussing virtue ethics and the good life. She emphasizes that living well isn’t about self-gain but instead about being responsive to the world. Herdt encourages asking, “What is worthy of my devotion?” to guide one’s vocation.

Jennifer Herdt

The final episode of this season of Callings features an interview with Jennifer Herdt, the Gilbert L. Stark Professor of Christian Ethics at Yale Divinity School, where she also serves as senior associate dean of faculty affairs. She is the author of many books and articles on virtue ethics, early modern and modern moral thought, and political theology. Her most recent book, Assuming Responsibility: Ecstatic Eudaimonism and the Call the Live Well, engages with questions of calling and obligation to others. Jennifer’s research also explores science-informed theological anthropology, which has been funded by a grant by the Templeton Foundation. In her teaching and research, Jennifer explores the connection between virtues, the good life, and the “call to live well.”

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Philosophy for Life: Kwame Anthony Appiah

The final episode of this season of NetVUE’s podcast features Kwame Anthony Appiah, an influential philosopher and professor at NYU. He discusses his journey from Ghana through England to the U.S., highlighting the significance of liberal education and the need for students to think critically about diversity and moral dilemmas rather than being told what to think.

Kwame Anthony Appiah

The most recent episode of NetVUE’s podcast Callings brings listeners an interview with Kwame Anthony Appiah. One of the world’s most influential philosophers and public intellectuals, he writes about political philosophy, ethics, diversity and identity, the philosophy of language, and African intellectual history. Kwame was raised in Ghana, educated in England, and now is professor of philosophy and law at New York University. He is the author of many books and articles, including Cosmopolitanism: Ethics in a World of Strangers and The Lies that Bind: Rethinking Identity, as well as the author of the popular “Ethicist” column for the New York Times Magazine, which offers advice on life’s trickiest situations and moral dilemmas. The winner of the 2024 John W. Kluge Prize for the Study of Humanity from the Library of Congress, Kwame currently serves as president of the American Academy of Arts and Letters.

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Liberty and Learning: Mustafa Akyol

Mustafa Akyol, a prominent Muslim modernist and senior fellow at the Cato Institute, is featured in the latest NetVUE podcast episode. He discusses his journey as a journalist and academic, emphasizing empathy and collaboration for peace. Akyol reflects on religious liberty, democracy, and his aspirations for peace in the Middle East.

Mustafa Akyol

The most recent episode of NetVUE’s podcast Callings features Mustafa Akyol, a public intellectual who is widely regarded as one of the most notable Muslim modernists and reformers in the world today. Named one of the world’s top 50 thinkers by the UK magazine Prospect, he is a senior fellow at the Cato Institute’s Center for Global Liberty and Prosperity in Washington, D.C., as well as a senior lecturer at the Islamic Civilization and Societies program at Boston College and the director of the Islam and the Muslim World course at the Foreign Service Institute.

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Storytelling as Vocation: Kiran Singh Sirah

The seventh episode of NetVUE’s podcast features Kiran Singh Sirah, a renowned storytelling artist and folklorist. He discusses storytelling’s role in fostering connection, agency, and communal healing in relation to vocation. A past president of the International Storytelling Center, Kiran’s initiatives have received global recognition. He emphasizes the importance of sharing personal narratives to bridge divides.

Kiran Singh Sirah

The seventh episode of this season of NetVUE’s podcast Callings features Kiran Singh Sirah, an award-winning storytelling artist and folklorist. He is the creative lead for Storytelling: A Gift of Hope, a project that harnesses the art of storytelling to create intimate healing and justice spaces to build dialogue, agency, and change for communities on their own terms. As well, he is the past president of the International Storytelling Center in Jonesborough, Tennessee.

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Change Maker: Abel Chávez

This podcast Callings features an interview with Abel Chávez, the tenth president of Our Lady of the Lake University. Chávez discusses his background as a first-generation college graduate and his commitment to supporting first-generation students. He emphasizes the importance of education in improving civic life and encourages listeners to engage as change makers in their communities.

Abel Chávez

NetVUE’s podcast Callings is pleased to release its recent interview with Abel Chávez, the tenth president of Our Lady of the Lake University in San Antonio, Texas. In this role, he has energized university efforts in fundraising and outreach, developing strong partnerships at the local, state, national, and international levels. An integrative leader and learner, he has served in multiple roles in higher education, including his work as a civil and environmental engineer. Abel is himself a first-generation, first-in-family college graduate, and a son of immigrants. As such, he brings his bilingual skills and bi-cultural heritage to all of his work, reflecting his commitment to enhancing the quality, access, and affordability for all students while serving the needs of families and communities—all with an eye for their economic prosperity.

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Asking Good Questions: Caryn Riswold

Professor Caryn Riswold discusses her work and insights on NetVUE’s podcast Callings. She emphasizes the importance of social justice, identity, and culture in vocational exploration and discernment. Riswold urges listeners to ask ask meaningful questions as a means to foster human connection and empower others in their vocational journeys.

Caryn Riswold

NetVUE’s podcast Callings has released a new episode, which features an interview with Caryn Riswold, professor of religion and the McCoy Family Distinguished Chair in Lutheran Heritage and Mission at Wartburg College. An accomplished classroom teacher, Caryn is also the author of four books, including Feminism and Christianity: Questions and Answers in the Third Wave (2009), Two Reformers: Martin Luther and Mary Daly as Political Theologians (2007), and her most recent publication, ReEngaging ELCA Social Teaching on Abortion (2024). She is also a NetVUE Scholar, and her essay “Vocational Discernment: A Pedagogy of Humanization” appeared in the first volume of NetVUE’s Scholarly Resources Project, In This Time and at This Place: Vocation and Higher Education (2015).

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