John Inazu and Learning to Disagree

The first episode of season five of NetVUE’s podcast Callings features an interview with John Inazu, a distinguished professor of law and religion. Inazu discusses his book, Learning to Disagree, emphasizing empathy in disagreements. He reflects on his experiences as a lawyer and teacher, advocating for understanding and honoring differences in diverse environments.

John Inazu

NetVUE’s podcast Callings has released its first episode of season five, which features hosts John Barton and Erin VanLaningham’s interview with John Inazu, the Sally D. Danforth Distinguished Professor of Law and Religion at Washington University in St. Louis, Missouri. Prior to teaching law, Inazu clerked for Judge Roger L. Wollman of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Eighth Circuit and served as an associate general counsel with the Department of the Air Force at the Pentagon.

His most recent book, Learning to Disagree: The Surprising Path to Navigating Differences with Empathy and Respect, urges us all to change the way we engage with disagreement, using the rhythms of an academic year to frame its discussion. Inazu’s previous scholarship has focused on the First Amendment freedoms of speech, assembly, and religion, which he has explored in Liberty’s Refuge: The Forgotten Freedom of Assembly and Confident Pluralism: Surviving and Thriving Through Deep Difference.(See Jeff Frank’s post on dependability and vocation, which explores Inazu’s notion of confident pluralism.) In addition to his many scholarly articles and projects, he has also published widely in the Atlantic, USA Today, the Los Angeles Times, and the Washington Post.  

In this episode, he reflects on his vocation as a lawyer and teacher, and shares insights and examples from the classroom to the courtroom. He highlights the importance of honoring the humanity of others and explores how we can all improve in our abilities to navigate diversities and disagree well. As we do so, he encourages us to hold things loosely and honor our particularities. In his view, engaging difference might be as central to vocation as finding common beliefs with which to identify.


Geoffrey W. Bateman is the editor of Vocation Matters.

NetVUE’s Podcast Callings Releases Season Four Highlights

NetVUE’s podcast “Callings” concluded its fourth season with an annual bonus episode featuring highlights from the season’s interviews. The episode offers insights on vocation, purpose, and meaning from various perspectives, providing valuable reflections for students and faculty. Guests encourage resilience, risk-taking, and addressing injustices, emphasizing the value of personal identity and love in vocational journeys.

NetVUE’s podcast Callings has concluded its fourth season with the release of its annual bonus “Highlights” episode. Featuring clips from this season’s interviews, it offers students, in particular, ways to think about vocation and the search for purpose and meaning in their lives from multiple perspectives. These excerpts not only give listeners a chance to hear some of this season’s gems, but also provide faculty with brief reflections that might be useful for classroom activities, or engaging points of departure for anyone working with undergraduate students in other settings.

Guests include (top row, left to right) Christi Belcourt, Sarah Bassin, and Katharine Hayhoe; and (bottom row, left to right) Shirley Hoogstra, Parker Palmer, and Anantanand Rambachan.

The highlights in this episode explore a range of themes, from encouraging us all to cultivate a profound sense of rightness in ourselves, our bodies, and the larger world, as well as attending generously to how we muddle through the challenges that we face. Guests encourage students to resist fear, worry less, and take supported risks, emphasizing the power of building resiliency and the belief that we can meaningfully address the injustices in the world. Focusing on valuing who we are, rather than what we do, the episode also points to the power of accountability and love in our vocational journeys. It features guests Parker Palmer, Norman Wirzba, Katharine Hayhoe, Shirley Hoogstra, Miroslav Volf, Sarah Bassin, Anantanand Rambachan, Kathleen Fitzpatrick, Geoffrey Bateman, and Christi Belcourt.


Geoffrey W. Bateman is the editor of Vocation Matters.

Christi Belcourt on Art and Activism

The final episode of this season’s Callings podcast introduces listeners to Christi Belcourt, a Métis artist, whose painting “Reverence for Life” appears on the cover of the most recent volume from the NetVUE Scholarly Resources Project. In her interview with Erin VanLaningham and John Barton, Christi reflects on this painting and many others—as well as other facets of her life’s work—as powerful points of departure for insights into her own personal vocation as a visual artist and a community and environmental activist.

The final episode of this season’s Callings podcast introduces listeners to Christi Belcourt, a Métis artist, whose painting “Reverence for Life” appears on the cover of the most recent volume from the NetVUE Scholarly Resources Project. In her interview with Erin VanLaningham and John Barton, Christi reflects on this painting and many others—as well as other facets of her life’s work—as powerful points of departure for insights into her own personal vocation as a visual artist and a community and environmental activist.

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Geoffrey Bateman and the Uncommon Good

The most recent episode of Callings features a conversation with Geoffrey Bateman, associate professor of peace and justice studies at Regis University.

The most recent episode of Callings features a conversation with Geoffrey Bateman, professor of peace and justice studies at Regis University. He is also a NetVUE faculty fellow and NetVUE scholar and has written extensively on the topic of supporting LGBTQIA+ students in their vocational journeys. In addition to serving as one of the faculty advisors for the Queer Student Alliance at Regis, he also leads Brave Space Trainings for the Queer Resource Alliance. His recent scholarship includes the essays “Queer Vocation and the Uncommon Good” in Called Beyond Ourselves: Vocation and the Common Good and “Queer Callings: LGBTQ Literature and Vocation” in Cultivating Vocation in Literary Studies.

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Kathleen Fitzpatrick on Joy in the Classroom

In the most recent episode of NetVUE’s podcast Callings, hosts Erin VanLaningham and John Barton speak with Kathleen Fitzpatrick, director of digital humanities and professor of English at Michigan State University.

In the most recent episode of NetVUE’s podcast Callings, hosts Erin VanLaningham and John Barton speak with Kathleen Fitzpatrick, director of digital humanities and professor of English at Michigan State University. She also serves as the project director of Humanities Commons, an open-access, open-source network serving more than 16,000 scholars and practitioners in the humanities. In addition to her extensive blog, her publications include Generous Thinking: A Radical Approach to Saving the University (2019) and the forthcoming Leading Generously: Tools for Transformation (2024).

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Anantanand Rambachan on Considering the Sacred

The most recent episode of Callings features hosts Erin VanLaningham and John Barton speaking with Anantanand Rambachan, scholar of Hinduism and interreligious studies and professor emeritus of religion, philosophy, and Asian studies at St. Olaf College in Northfield, Minnesota.

The most recent episode of Callings features hosts Erin VanLaningham and John Barton speaking with Anantanand Rambachan, scholar of Hinduism and interreligious studies and professor emeritus of religion, philosophy, and Asian studies at St. Olaf College in Northfield, Minnesota. He is also a co-president of the global interfaith network Religions for Peace and is active in the dialogue programs of the World Council of Churches and the Pontifical Council for Interreligious Dialogue at the Vatican. His numerous books include A Hindu Theology of Liberation and Pathways to Hindu-Christian Dialogue.

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Sarah Bassin on Holy Envy

The latest episode of the Callings podcast features Erin VanLaningham and John Barton speaking with Rabbi Sarah Bassin.

The latest episode of the Callings podcast features Erin VanLaningham and John Barton speaking with Rabbi Sarah Bassin. She serves as the director of clergy and congregations for the nonprofit HIAS (originally the Hebrew Immigrant Aid Society), the world’s oldest refugee agency. Previously, she was the associate rabbi at Temple Emanuel of Beverly Hills, focused on congregation-based justice work, as well as the founding executive director of NewGround: A Muslim-Jewish Partnership for Change.

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Miroslav Volf on the Soul’s Landscape

Hosts Erin VanLaningham and John Barton speak with Miroslav Volf on the most recent episode of NetVUE’s podcast Callings.

Hosts Erin VanLaningham and John Barton speak with Miroslav Volf on the most recent episode of NetVUE’s podcast Callings. Miroslav is the Henry B. Wright Professor of Systematic Theology at Yale Divinity School and the founder and director of the Yale Center for Faith and Culture, as well as one of the most influential Christian theologians of this generation. His latest book, Life Worth Living: A Guide to What Matters Most (co-authored with Matthew Croasmun and Ryan McAnnally-Linz), is based on the “Life Worth Living” course that they teach at Yale University.

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Shirley Hoogstra on God’s Economy

The most recent episode of NetVUE’s podcast Callings features hosts Erin VanLaningham and John Barton speaking with Shirley Hoogstra.

The most recent episode of NetVUE’s podcast Callings features hosts Erin VanLaningham and John Barton speaking with Shirley Hoogstra. Shirley has been an elementary school teacher, a litigator, a vice president for student life at Calvin University and, since 2014, the president of the Council for Christian Colleges & Universities (CCCU).

With her belief that there is “nothing wasted in God’s economy,” she encourages us to look for vocational possibilities both by taking heed of our own feelings of “restlessness” and by listening to others. Within classrooms, we can prepare students for multiple vocations and for facing difficult problems and contentious spaces by cultivating in them a “deep moral courage.”

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Katharine Hayhoe on the Practice of Hope

Erin VanLaningham and John Barton interview atmospheric scientist Katharine Hayhoe on the most recent episode of NetVUE’s podcast, Callings.

Katharine Hayhoe

Erin VanLaningham and John Barton interview atmospheric scientist Katharine Hayhoe on the most recent episode of NetVUE’s podcast, Callings. Katharine is a distinguished professor and the Political Science Endowed Chair in Public Policy and Public Law at Texas Tech University, where she is also an associate in the Public Health program of the Graduate School of Biomedical Sciences. She currently serves as the chief scientist for The Nature Conservancy as well. Her most recent book is Saving Us: A Climate Scientist’s Case for Hope and Healing in a Divided World.

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